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مشاهدة جميع الاصدارات : ألا في سبيل اللّه ما حلّ بي منك مرّة أخرى ولعلّ هذه هي الأخيرة



أبو علاء
11-06-2006, 22:18
أرفع هذا التّسجيل لصالح عبد الحي حتّى يكتمل النّصاب بعد التّسجيلات الّتي رفعها فريديريك لهذه القصيدة، والتّسجيل فيما يبدو من اسطوانات 78 لفّة، ولست أذكر مصدر هذه النّسخة إن كانت من ملفّاتي الشّخصيّة أم أنّي استقيتها من منتدى زرياب، فأنا أذكر أنّ لي نسخة شخصيّة إلاّ أنّها ليست على جودة عالية...
على أيّ حال لقد اختار صالح هنا القالب اللّحنيّ السّائر من مقام البياتي إلاّ أنّه لم يحتفظ بقسم السّيكاه الّذي سبق التّعليق عنه في تسجيلي حلمي والمنيلاوي الأوّل (سماع الملوك) ؛ بالمقابل نراه يبرز مقام العجم ويعود إليه بعد الخروج الأوّل، كما نلاحظ بعد مقطع العجم الأوّل مقطعا من الرّاست.

Najib
12-06-2006, 11:40
يعني رح تغيير رأيك بعد البوست الأخير لفريديريك ولا بعدك على حلمي؟

أبو علاء
12-06-2006, 11:45
صيغة المنيلاوي الهزام هي أفضل الصّيغ، وهذا يعني أنّ رأيي لم يتغيّر باعتبار أنّ صيغة حلمي أفضل من صيغة المنيلاوي البياتي.:)

Najib
12-06-2006, 11:53
you surprise me so much, I stopped being surprised now! :p

أبو علاء
12-06-2006, 12:08
You can't imagine how pleased I am, Najib. I've been told so many times by close friends that my main weakness is precisely that my reactions are always predictable. So people always know what my next move will be while I don't know theirs.:)

Najib
12-06-2006, 13:00
I've listened to Saleh's rendition now, this guy and Acem Asseyran are a lethal combination!

Beautiful rendition.

fredlag@noos.fr
12-06-2006, 14:08
Very nice indeed. Salih in qasa'id bayyati always follows the usual pattern set for araka 3asiyya al-dam3 (except in his legendary 50s version), and has splendid 3agam sections. But it is the upper bayyati here, the husayni part, that I really like.
This is Polyphon 43805/06, electric recording, circa 1928/29
My own recording of it is not a direct transfer, just a tape I got years ago in Tunis, no better than yours.
Posting as well for collectors the (?) complete SAH 78rpm discography, to be completed by whoever wants to do it with the list of radio recordings.
The more I think of it, the more I wonder if the Kadni al-Hawa I heard by Salih was only in my delirious imagination...

3amr
12-06-2006, 15:38
for the sake of all the Saleh fanatics, I hope it was more than a figment of imagination.

there are references here to a legendary 1950 recording of a Qasida by Saleh, well, is it posted somewhere? I haven't heard it.

fredlag@noos.fr
12-06-2006, 15:54
the "legendary" version I was refering to is SAH's 50s recording of "araka 3asiyya d-dam3", which is, I think, commercially distributed by Sono Cairo, isn't it ? If not, it is here included. It is definitely commercially sold in Tunisia by Soca, which is where I got it.

3amr
12-06-2006, 16:02
one hundred million thanks,

you see, I live in lebanon, we don't get anything from soca, or from sono cairo I believe, unless we specifically import them or something. I haven't seen a tape of 3ammi Saleh in a lebanese shop in the entire 17 years of my existance.

fredlag@noos.fr
12-06-2006, 16:13
Ya 3amr bey, the mere fact that a 17 year old Lebanese is willing to listen to Salih Abd al-Hayy (and Abd al-Hayy Hilmi) yanzilu fi qalbi bardan wa-salaman. O'mor ya basha !

:) :)

Najib
12-06-2006, 16:27
Thanks a lot, but it finishes at 7'06 in the middle of the 2nd Tusa'iluni?

Is it only 7'06 long?

3amr
12-06-2006, 16:43
Nope, it's only slightly short of ten minutes actually.

و يا فريد أفندي، الله يخليلنا إياك و قلبك الذي يتذوق موسيقانا المغمورة و المغلوب على امرها.

fredlag@noos.fr
12-06-2006, 16:48
@ Najib : there has been a problem with your download, the file is 9'53 and complete, just downloaded it to check.

Najib
12-06-2006, 16:58
Sorry about that, music match (my defaul reader) reads it wrongly up to 7'06 minutes, but when I opened with itunes it's 9'53

I need an apple computer I think!

Najib
12-06-2006, 17:11
نعم نعم نعم

ويرحم ترابك يا عمّي صالح

3amr
12-06-2006, 18:19
آمين

Najib
13-06-2006, 12:06
It will be boring for me again to go into how much I love Acem Asseyran as renditioned by Saleh.

However what blew my socks away is in the beginning:

I loved, adored the way he speeded up the tuka in Sheematuka at 0':09"

Sheema (tuka fast) sss - sakteh (dum) - sabru

And of course the play on the synopated Wuhdah across the whole Qaseedah is Khurafy

This is a la Manywalawi: I am Saleh, I am the master of tarab, welly mush
3agbou yeballet el Bahr!!

Wow

3amr
13-06-2006, 16:43
I love this "Khurafy" of yours.

pretty much sums up the whole situation.

as for the acem asiran, I very much share your opinion. Saleh is perhaps the only egyption singer I know to utilize acem without having it sound like, well, like something abdel wahhab would sing.

Najib
23-06-2006, 12:31
It is criminal not to have many listening passes at the Araka 3asiy Qasidah by Saleh that our dear Fred has gifted us with.

This morning I was listening again and againg to the 3 mmmm in the series of na3ams (yes) he does at 2:28