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مشاهدة جميع الاصدارات : دور ضيعت مستقبل حياتي (زكريا أحمد) تسجيل غير الشائع



محب الطرب
09-10-2005, 21:17
من إحتفال مصلحة الفنون بذكرى سيد درويش و التسجيل حالته ممتازة
و شكرا لمرشدنا لمواعيد برامج الإذاعة المصرية

أبو علاء
09-10-2005, 21:33
من أرشدك أفاد نفسه، فقد فاتني التقاط هذا التّسجيل وسماعه، ناهيك عن تسجيله ؛ أترى لو أنّي كنت احتفظت بالمواعيد لنفسي كما لو كانت سرّ الحكمة أو الثّروة، لكان التّسجيل فاتني وفاتك وفات جميع روّاد هذا المنتدى...:) شكرا يا أبا عليّ.

oudman
10-10-2005, 17:38
شكرا لك يا أخي محب الطرب فقد وضعت دورا مناسبا في رمضاننا الكريم ملأ نفسي طربا....هذا من الأدوار التي احني لها رأسي وتطربني حتى الثماله...شكرا

Bassio
25-09-2008, 21:59
I read some members mentioned they like this particular recording.

There is another version already uploaded.

I do not know if it is a different version or maybe they are the same after all. but again I will leave that to the discretion of the admins.
However, there is a notable difference in timing.
This makes the two possibilities .. well .. possible; again those with sharp ears can decide.
I am not so keen on listening and comparing a 20 min version of this dor anyway. ;)
but with a quick listening they seem very close.

Anyway, the quality of this file is slightly better than the one already uploaded.

أبو علاء
25-09-2008, 22:02
Why didn't you upload it in the same thread as the other file?

Bassio
26-09-2008, 04:19
Why didn't you upload it in the same thread as the other file?

Because I think it is a different performance than the other one already uploaded.. and I was afraid I would have to reupload in a separate thread, if it happened to be indeed another performance.

But if someone confirms they are the same, then I will reupload it in its original thread and you can delete this one.

3amr
26-09-2008, 09:24
This seems to be the same performance, but it is in incomparably better shape, in fact, this is the best we've ever heard of zakariyya here in terms of sound quality.

أبو علاء
26-09-2008, 16:57
Because I think it is a different performance than the other one already uploaded.. and I was afraid I would have to reupload in a separate thread, if it happened to be indeed another performance.

But if someone confirms they are the same, then I will reupload it in its original thread and you can delete this one.
Since we're talking about the same dawr by the same interpreter, there was enough ground to post it here, especially that you were not even sure they are two different versions, which is apparently not the case according to 'amr. I'll check the files and will, then, delete 'abu 'ali's copy.

أبو علاء
28-09-2008, 20:06
This seems to be the same performance, but it is in incomparably better shape, in fact, this is the best we've ever heard of zakariyya here in terms of sound quality.
I could eventually compare the two files and I can tell they definitely don't pertain to the same performance. My comparison didn't go as far as to find out how qualitatively different they are from each other, which one is better and what are the specificities of each of them. But, no doubt we are in presence of two distinct performances. The prominence of the 'ud in Bassio's file is the first apparent clue to such difference. But, I also spotted a few others in the first 4 to 5 minutes. So, we will keep both files. By the way, yes Bassio's file of a higher sound quality, but 'abu 'ali's one is not bad at all. As a matter of fact, you young generation representatives (3amr, Bassio, Hatim...), I don't think it is of vital importance to seek the highest tehcnical quality at any cost for this kind of stuff. We should not forget we're talking of radio recordings on reel tapes in the best of cases (this performance here, 'um kalthum's concerts...etc) and of 78 rpm records in the case of nahdha repertoire. This is not western music, including classical one, which has been recorded under totally different circumstances. I'm writing this because I know by being so much keen on having impeccable recordings, one might go as far as to mis a whole part of this repertoire due to the sole fact that the recordings are "in bad shape" and I can tell you would I have had such attitude in the 70s-80s, I could have never discovered this wealth of classical Arab musical arts or, at least, wouldn't have become so well acquianted with it.

أبو علاء
28-09-2008, 22:06
Now, I have a question: what's the source of your recording, Bassio?

Bassio
29-09-2008, 18:18
Sorry abu-alaa

I did not read your question since it appears to be written before my page refresh.. so it did not appear as a new post.

Anyway, my source of recording is the internet.
I always try to mine the internet for recordings or info to provide zamanalwasl. If you recall, I have no "physical" recordings like you and the rest, and all things I put here are already publicly available on the internet but just needs some searching and digging.

This particular recording I found last week. Someone uploaded it to rapidshare, provided a link on a forum and I downloaded it that's all.

Together with this recording, there is another recording, of el habib lel hagr mayel by another singer (who I do not recognize) .. and it appears to be from the same "hafla", but I have no further information on the recordings, I apologize.

I will upload the other recording later inshaAllah.

Najib
29-09-2008, 18:26
If this is the case then, regardless of the rapidshare link, this is the commercial recording of Dayya3ti with which always comes Bilidi's el habeeb which cairophone mislabeled as Zakariyya's.

Mohsen, in this case we can delete Bassio's contribution.

Najib
29-09-2008, 18:30
Bassio,

Your "mining" for zamanalwasl is appreciated as long as you mention from where the recording was downloaded.

Otherwise we will ban anyone who uploads stuff from other foras without the consent of the owners.

It is thanks to people "mining" the internet that people downloaded videos from the 3ashmawi site. Uploaded them as their own in other foras prompting 3ashmawy to never release anything in his possession again! This is just an example.

أبو علاء
29-09-2008, 18:36
Anyway, my source of recording is the internet.
I always try to mine the internet for recordings or info to provide zamanalwasl. If you recall, I have no "physical" recordings like you and the rest, and all things I put here are already publicly available on the internet but just needs some searching and digging.

First, we have a very clear policy with regard to files that are posted somewhere else on the web in genral and more particularly in other fora. I can't believe that after all the time you have been around you are still not aware of that policy. So, if you haven't done so, it's high time you went and read this (http://www.zamanalwasl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1744).
In short, we usually DO NOT WANT mateirial posted elsewhere to be reproduced here. When, in exceptional cases, there are compelling reasons to deviate from that general rule, it is IMPERATIVE for the poster to quote his/her source.
Second, it is not at all an obligation for any member to contribute with files. You have contributed much in terms of opinions, comments and questions and this is as much important to us as posting files.
Third, based on the information you have just provided, this performance has been commercialized on a CD along with el-habb li-l-hagrim mayil performed by 'abbas Al-bilidi with the whole stuff wrongly labelled as pertaining to Zakariya. I do have the CD and there is no need for any further upload therefrom.

Bassio
29-09-2008, 18:54
hmm this is very funny .. I must have thought of that given the good quality of the file.. but your initial response let me feel that I found something rare and not "commercial" .. because I thought if it was commercial then abu-alaa would have deleted it right away.
Even 3amr did not comment.

Of course you can now delete the file.

First: I have no info on whether any file I have on my PC is from a "commercial" source or not. If I knew I wouldn't have posted it.
Like the oud recording of Sunbati.. abu-alaa told me they are widely available .. so I stopped uploading the rest.

But I have to make one notice:
that I do not mine other forums and upload to zamanalwasl.. and I know that this is forum policy.

But I do mine "publicly" available links present on the net.

A rapidshare link posted on the net and searchable by Google is in my opinion public enough even who posted it did not require a password, or even a login or a registration.

The poster also does not mention his source .. which makes me unsure if it is something worthy or something widely available or even "a commercial rip" so I feel compelled to post here for the experts to tell me what it is.

I will however, take care next time though.

As for stuff from other forums, I have few recordings obtained from Zeryab when I used to roam there .. and knowing your policy I never intended to upload here.

As for publicly available stuff, I think it is better to be reviewed by the admins here (given my own ignorance).

أبو علاء
29-09-2008, 19:10
hmm this is very funny .. I must have thought of that given the good quality of the file.. but your initial response let me feel that I found something rare and not "commercial" .. because I thought if it was commercial then abu-alaa would have deleted it right away.
).
The fact is that I never listened to 'abu 'ali's post nor to yours before 3amr mentioned the better quality of the latter and the probability that both are two copies of the same performance. And I didn't listened because there is so much other stuff to listen to on a daily basis in the course of administering/moderating the forum, let alone things to which I listen to for my own pleasure. If you add to that the fact that I thought there was only one recording of dhayya't by Zakariya and that it is available in good quality, you'll understand why I haven't checked this material before.

3amr
29-09-2008, 20:33
حصل خير.

I did not mention anything about a commercial recording for a very simple reason, I don't own any commercial recordings of arabic music with the simple exception of four or five umm kulthum casettes.The reason is, with all simplicity, I can't find anything in lebanon.
Even the biggest record shops have nothing other than fairouz, umm kulthum, warda, faiza, najat, and the rest of that crew.

Needless to say, I feel I'll be long dead before Saleh Abdel Hayy becomes commercially widespread in lebanon, if ever.