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الموضوع: Aḥmad Ḥasanayn - Yā mālek er-rūḥ & El-ḥelw lammā n‘aṭaf / أحمد حسنين - يا مالك الروح - الحلو لما انعطف

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    إفتراضي Aḥmad Ḥasanayn - Yā mālek er-rūḥ & El-ḥelw lammā n‘aṭaf / أحمد حسنين - يا مالك الروح - الحلو لما انعطف

    Aḥmad Ḥasanayn was a maḏhabgī working with ‘Abduh al-Ḥāmūlī and he died circa 1904, just after recording for Odeon. His discs are among the very first ever recorded in the Middle-East, hence the extremely primitive technique and the extensive filtration these documents demand in order to be heard. I hope Abu Alaa will forgive me for this, and hope the result is not too harsh, but we must remember the raw file is almost inaudible.
    Aḥmad eff. Ḥasanayn's voice is very different from Manyalāwī, Ḥilmī, Ṣaftī, Zakī Murād and such. it can only be compared to Muḥammad Sālim al-‘Agūz and Ḥāmūlī himself, in what we can guess from the cylinder recordings that have been preserved : the voice of a baritone more than a tenor, a more "manly" voice if this makes sense. I find his rendition of dōr / El-ḥelw lammāxn‘aṭaf quite enjoyable.
    The mawwāl we know by Ṣaftī in nahāwand/‘ushshāq, but it is here in bayyātī.
    الملفات المرفقة الملفات المرفقة

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    إفتراضي

    Could you still post the raw file?

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    إفتراضي

    here you are
    الملفات المرفقة الملفات المرفقة

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    إفتراضي

    Thank you very much. I have to admit I find the "active" noise of khashkhasha much more bearable than the "passive" noise of filtration.

    Have you noticed that Mostafa Said used the same recording in AMAR podcast 55, but faster, with better filtration, and without the mawwal?
    آخر تعديل بواسطة AmrB ، 22-11-2018 الساعة 15:06

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    إفتراضي

    I did not know that. As far as speed is concerned, I sped it up from the original 78 rpm, and felt it was natural this way, but we shall never know... As for filtration, there are 2 schools obviously. I am a filterer, but I don't have the pro software AMAR uses... Mine is "Audacity" in its 2.3.0 version.
    But whatever the right speed is, I still feel Aḥmad Ḥasanayn is a totally different voice type than our usual gang (Manyalawi, Higazi, Hilmi, Abu Dawud, Safti, Zaki, Salih, etc) and is much closer to what Hamuli seems to have been. I actually prefer the Manyalawi/Hilmi/Salih type of voice, but it is quite fascinating to hear this other type of raw material, of khāma.
    آخر تعديل بواسطة fredlag@noos.fr ، 23-11-2018 الساعة 00:04

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    إفتراضي


    I am a little surprised you'd include Safti's voice type with the rest of the gang. Also, for me, Hilmi stands out as a different voice type.

    As for Hamuli, I could never hear anything from the cylinders. Do you have a recommendation for the most audible, or least inaudible, recording?

    Would you place Ahmed Hasanayn's voice in same category as Mahmoud Mursi, as a uniquely "manly" voice?

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    إفتراضي

    أنا أيضا لا يمكنني الحديث عن صوت الحامولي أو خصائص غنائه باعتبار ما سمعته من تسجيلاته حتّى الآن وما أراه هو أنّ صوت أحمد حسنين من نفس فصيلة صوت أحمد سالم العجوز وإن بدا صوت العجوز أرخم وصوت حسنين أقرب من الطبقات العليا، أو لعلّ فارق السنّ هو ما يفسّر التفاوت في المساحة الصوتيّة، أمّا خامة الصوتين فتبدو لي واحدة أو على الأقلّ هما متقاربان من حيث الخامة.
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